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27.04.2003
llama-Website Admin
Ok, some major changes are being made to this website, We had a Hard Drive crash and it's a bloody lengthy job replacing everything. Enjoy your stay and any feedback or questions regarding this website, please use the form above. Apologies for the pop-up ads, we'll be moving onto our own domain and server in the near future. Special thanks to Brad Webb from Ironoutlaw.com for the Thomas Curnow pictures in the Ned Kelly section of this site! Enjoy ya stay! llama ;)

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07.05.2003
patrea
can you please sent me some details of ned kelly (the type of stuff you would expect on a wanted poster)
G'day Patrea, click on the image below for all the info you could need regarding Ned :)

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29.06.2003
llama Princess
Hey Nipper excellent site and well done on the changes ! Keep up the good work :)
Yes indeed darling... how embarrassing :p

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29.06.2003
Mike Lawson
Well done mate, Sites looking great since the new update! Well done!!!!
Thanks mate, plenty more to come, and about time I got my arse into gear eh;)

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29.06.2003
Steve Smith
what happened to Grace Kelly?
Good onya Steve. Grab a copy of Ian Jones "Short Life', all your questions are answered there mate ;)
If you are going to leave feedback or questions, make sure It's not a stupid one OK, there are so many books on the Kelly story out there, just have a look on EBay. Otherwise, I'll try and do my best. llama

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25.07.03
Pete Curnow
What sort of goose are you??? you hero worship a pshycopath like Chopper Read,
then you have the hide to bag people who wear Joe Byrnes Helmet..i know who the idiot is ...look in the mirror..you simpletonr
Great stuff, keep it coming! At least I've got you thinking 'Curnow'
( Curnow... I'd have that changed by deed poll ).
And I do not 'hero worship', Chopper Read...
He's an interesting Australian, unlike yourself.
As far as a few sooks whinging on Ironoutlaw...
If there too stupid to see what they have done by trying on ANY Kelly armour... Handling the weapons etc...
then I'll bloody tell em!
... I wonder what Joe Byrnes family think of all this nonsense ?

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27.07.03
Lola Rowe
Llama, what a shame you have to hide your identity when you have such strong views.
Hi there Lola:) It is indeed a shame I hide my real name,
but I've had to over the last few years because of my work running servers
Banning users on these servers can lead to nastiness on their part.
My name is David Cox, I'm pleased to meet you.
I hope my comments haven't offended you. I know your a Lloyd/Kelly descendent.
And by your feedback on Brad's site, I can tell your a great lady! How do you feel about the armour being a side show?
Doesn't Hammond make your blood boil too?
Thanks for the feedback Lola!
Dave;)

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01.08.03
Nick
Just a bit of feedback on your comments about The Glenrowan Dinner. I can understand what you are trying to achieve and everyone is entitled to their own opinion even if they are wrong!!! I as a Kelly fan was amazed that you finally got to see one of Australia's greatest Icons outside of a Glass Prison. Joe and Ned and the gang fought for justice and I bet they wouldnt want to see their suits behind glass. I dont care much who owns the suits or who is related to who. Ther legend of the Kelly gang and the stories are what makes it real. The armours are a reminder of it all or their trademark. I am a self taugh blacksmith who was commissioned to manufacture Ned, Joe and Dan's armours for the Jerilderie Shire. I dont advertise that I make these armours but people seek me out for them. One thing is I only make a replication. I dont use plough pieces etc and I dont charge the earth. I was able to have my suits looked at By Ian Jones who though they where one of the best eye for detail replicas he has seen. This brings me to my point. I was at that dinner, i didnt pay for a ticket but was able to see the armour first hand. To me this was a once in a lifetime oppurtunity to hold something that has been forever out of reach. I have travelled and seen all the exhibitions etc like other believers but to be given this window of opprtunity was to me surreal. I dont care what dignitories where there but I got to see a piece of this up close. I believe in your fight to give the armour back to rightful owners but I see you had a go a Paul Okeefe so be careful for what you wish for as Paul might end up with Steve's armour and you will have to retract your words. I have seen the amount of items that people are flogging off with Ned Kelly such as snow domes pens etc. I am not into this commercial side of the armours. To be frank I havd a look at the ones in A store in Glenrowan and found out they where wrong not enough rivets and get this they are laser cut! The mini helmets had four bolts. This is where i get angry when people dont care actually about detail. I am not saying my armours are the best or anything like that but at least i take the time to make them as close as possible. So I am a supporter of keeping the armours in the country and back to their rightful owners but maybe if you think about it they could go back to the original manufacturer. I dont know Rupert but I will say this if I never get to touch Joe's helmet again and it goes behind glass at least i will tell the story of they Kelly gang to my kids and keep history alive. Maybe step out of the cicle and see what Paul okeefe is doing and that is keeping the legend alive through children. If the police had their way we wouldnt have the suits would we. Id take my kids to see the armour any day and hey if they got to touch it then what a bonus. By the why they were made of metal so i dont think they will break. And I can wait to see you edited versi!
on of this letter. Thanks

Thankyou Nick, very well put feedback mate!
I love the idea of Aussie kids getting to know and understand the story of the Kelly's, I just feel that there's better ways of doing
this, which I'll explain more about soon in some updates on my site. I'll add a few more remarks to your splendid feedback over the weekend (as jack daniels is calling)
Can you do me a favour and email me some pics of your Armour... sounds very interesting! And I can't tell if your suggesting that
I might 'edit' your feedback... no way!! . I'll edit nothing that comes through my feedback, except for stupid Questions
like: 'I need ned pics for my school project... blah'

postscript, here's Nick's armour on EBay with a starting bid at $900aud, let you be the judge. Here's he's website
gotta say Nick, that bar would NOT look good in my bloody house.. yuk! Your Armour Looks great though!
dave

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Jackie Reaper
11.08.2003
description of ned kelly for a wanted poster, also why he was wanted by law

Hi Jackie. Description: well, He had a beard...
Wanted?: I think he might have shot a few blokes...
Honestly, What's the matter with the word 'please'? And do your own bloody research missy... Thanks for feedback... I think
llama

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Sam
23.08.03
Well done on Jika Jika llama. A spare thought is better than a lifetime in hell. thanks Sam
Least I could do Sam, thankYOU mate.

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Betty
23.08.2003
I just finished reading your Jika link.You have done a great page Llama. I live near the US Federal max prison in Marion, Illinois. I hear some things that go on there too. I am afraid all maximum prisons are very similar, but how do you punish in a humane way? I guess that is the real problem. And what do you do with the charles mansons and other crazies of this world? But I am glad you added this to your webpage. It touched my heart and made me think. Good job!!
Betty? Don't I know you from somewhere? One of my most trusted and best friends online...
Thanks for your feedback darl:)
There is a fair question there... What to do with the 'worst of the worse'? I don't think killing them is the answer...
The last man hanged in Australia was a bloke by the name of Ronald Ryan
Evidence these days shows that he may NOT infact have fired the fatal shot that killed the Pentridge Prison Officer.
Even if it's questionable? What a terrible mistake.
I guess in the mean time, taxpayers will just have to cop the 5 figure sum per year to house some of these convicted crims in protection.
The Port Arthur massacre here in Australia comes to mind... That gunman destroyed over 30 lives... let alone the family's of the poor victims
He has no rights left as a human being for what he did...
He'll spend the remainder of his life in segregation... until...

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Kevin Jarvis
20.09.2003
well done keep putting shit on them dick haeds and maybe we will get the armour back. maybe we should go and get it back ourselves, one softcock should'nt be that hard to handle.
Maybe not a bad idea at all Kev;) Thanks for ya feedback mate!

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John
25.09.2003
A truly excellent site. Well done.
Glad ya liked it John, I'll be doing some more on Australian prisons soon, namely Parramatta and Grafton Jails 'circles'
feedback appreciated mate ;)

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llama
29.10.2003
To celebrate the 5th year of this website ( and to put a stop to bloody pop up ads, we have now moved to
http://www.australianbushrangers.com

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Kari-Ann
01.12.2003
I am from John Wiley Publishers and we are publishing a new book shortly and the authors want to use the photo of a deceased Dan Morgan in it. Do you know who owns the copyright to that particular picture. Your feedback would be greatly appreciated. Warm regards, Kari-Ann.
Hi Kari-Ann, I imagine the copyright to the Morgan pic has long ceased. I'll speak to a few contacts and see if you can use the
pic without repercussion, but I know copyright with music ceases after 100 years. I'll email you in a day or two ok :) regards
Dave

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Cheryle
25.12.2003
Hello Your Jika Jika sight was great to view. My Brother would be proud to see someone has done a site about it I have search and not come across any website at all on the fire.
My pleasure Cheryle! I hope Ricky would like it, at least to let people know what actually happened in there. Cheryle is making a website in honour of her brother, and we'll have the link up here shortly! Talk to you soon on email Cheryle
Dave:)

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Leon
20.02.2004
Gooday, I've just finished reading Peter Careys novel, "True History Of The KELLY GANG" . What sort of drugs is this
wanker on? They must have some really heavy shit over there in New York !!! You can't expect anything but crap
from a "YANKEE WANKEE WANABEE" . Anyway you've got a pretty good Website. LEONSKI
Thanks Leon! I agree with you about Peter Carey, maybe his perverted mind see's homosexual Outlaws roaming the North East in dresses... I think people that know the truth of the Kelly's just see Carey for the poonce that he is! Thanks for ya feedback Leon. Dave

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Tammy Mullen
25.02.2004
how did the bushrangers change Australias identity?
Hi Tammy, Well It's not a bad question! You could say that Bushrangers changed Australia's identity through 'mateship'... Look at the Kelly Gang for instance, £8000 reward was a massive amount of money back in the 19th Century, and the Police locked up the Gangs family and friends (with no charges) and not one of them was tempted for a crack at the blood money! That speaks volumes to me!
The 'criminal' class held together even from the first days of the first fleet, the 'us and them' attitude still exists today. A modern day example, who hasn't thoroughly enjoyed booing the 'Members' at the SCG or MCG? ;)
Dave

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Anne Hudson
25.02.2004
Uh, I was originally looking for information on the Kelly Gang, but as it seems this is the wrong place to look. What you write isn't exactly objective...
Hi Anne, Yes It will be a cold day in hell before you'll find me looking at things from a Police viewpoint. I don't apologise for this, read the Jerillderie and Cameron Letters or, try ironoutlaw.com or Dave White's glenrowan1880.com for the full on account. Regards Dave.

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llama
08.06.2004
Once, there was a girl. when she smiled, I smiled, when she cried. I cried.
Maybe once in a lifetime you come across someone who touches your heart and makes you feel so bloody insignificant...
We sure had some fun didn't we baby!... I love you so much! Anything I've ever done ... that ever seemed to matter...
You were with me! Thankyou Annie
your just so cherished to me.
Nipper xox

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llama
14.06.2004
I've had a few emails about the above post. Anne is my lifetime partner. The name 'Nipper'.. hehe, I can't tell ya about that, without a trial;)
llama

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Geoff
30.06.2004
G'day Dave,
I very much agree with your asessment of Ned Kelly The
Authenticated Illustrated History, by Keith McMenomy. The keyword to this
title is AUTHENTICATED, as Keith presents the facts , and references their
source's. so every thing presented in this publication is authenticated. He
then asks us to judge for ourselves.

I bough Keiths book from Target in the
early eighties and have been reading and rereading it for over 20 years ,
never get sick of it, its allways out about nov 11th . betwen the facts
presented in Keiths book , and other facts I have come accross over the
years, (eg The womanising ways of constable Fitzpatrick being bought to
light ,makes Ellen Kelly's story about his advances toward Kate quite
credible).
" There is no doubt in my mind that the Kelly family suffered harassment , and things got worse
when Constable Fitzpartick went to the Kelly house and tried to arrest Dan
Kelly without the required warrant.(Illegal?) and while there according to
the family, tried to have his way with kate.this is only the tip of the
iceberg in Keith's book. It appears that the demotions and expulsions from
the Police Force after the Royal Commission into the Kelly outbreak were
well justified.but were too late in coming for the Kelly family. Were Never too late for the Boy's and their Family's mate... never!
Regards Geoff.
Absolutely excellent feedback Geoff!
What we have here is a non failure... to communicate. Geoff is 100% right with his facts.
Why? Because he knows what's bullshit and what isn't! The man has read the truth regarding the Kelly's.
It's as simple as that! Keith's book is brilliant, there's no doubt about that Geoff.
Geoff, Thanks for your Feedback , I can see your a very proud Australian.
Dave.

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Laura
10.11.2004
ned kelly is a very good movie and it shows so much about neds life and it is so inspiring to know that ned kelly was a good bloke
A very good bloke Indeed! The movie 'touched' on things Laura... Make sure you see the Last Outlaw for the full account
Dave

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Jeanie
13.01.05
Hey there, I remember the Jika fire well I was in Fairlea at the time and it was one of those devastating moments that brings all crims together in common hatred and disgust in the screws and the system. Although it was too close to our hearts to hate the system, the 'system' was too anonymous, we needed to vent our anger against a tangible, a screw. I remember writing a poem to the boys, lots of us did, that we published in our mag. I also remember us girls requesting "Brothers in Arms' to be played on the prison radio. That song has always had the special significance of that moment for me. Took four out of five of em to die but it the closed the hell hole down.........if that is the definition of a bushranger, sacrifice to a greater good then these 5 deserve the title
Here here Jeanie! Closed that fucking hellhole down mate!

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Ray
24.01.05
good to see someone is actually portraying the new south wales prison system as it really was back in the 70's.i know because I was amongst the ones who enjoyed its hospitality.
Goodonya Ray!
Luckily today, most punters don't think the ol bread and water crap.
...Mind you, bastards like Dennis Ferguson could do with worse.
Prison is about being removed from your loved ones, THAT is the punishment!
Screws like those mongrels in Jika, Pentridge H Division... Parra Circle, Bogga Road, (this list is endless)
Let's hope these cowards are suffering in retirement!
Thanks for ya feeback Ray and Jeanie
All the best :)
llama

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Dave Brown
20.02.2005
G'day Llama, you probably know this already, but just in case..Brendan Abbott escaped from Fremantle Prison not long before it was finally closed in the early 90's. The gaol was then openned to the public because of it's historical value and tours were conducted, and still are, to show people around the old place. They have a visiters book there and one day someone was looking through it and discovered an interesting entry. It read something like " great tour, very interesting and informative, sorry I can't stay around, Brendan Abbott." Brendan Abbott had disguised himself and then taken a tour through his old "home" The most interesting part is that at that time he was still on the run from the WA police for escaping and that the tour guides were either ex prisoners or ex prison guards at that time! It's a funny old world! Dave Brown
How ya goin Dave;)
Yes mate I have read a fair bit about BJ.Abbott, I've barely touched on his story and encourage readers to get their hands on No Fixed Address by Derek Pedley. The bloke made experienced coppers look like twits!.. Gotta love it:)

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Clint
23.03.2005
fuckin' mad site mate, i just stumbled across it looking up on Aussie crim's!!!!
G'day Clint! Glad you enjoyed mate! (I'll get around to Mr Death eventually)...
I like Chopper's quote in one of his books how Dennis Allen left the Shower yard in H Division 'in tears' one day..
Speed Kills;)
llama

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Jade
15.4.2005
ned kelly is the best fuckin role model any young lad can fuckin have, you little fuckin ripper
What can I say Jade but 'fuckin oath' mate ;) llama

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L.Oliver
16.5.2005
I love this website! I think all Australian's could learn a thing or two from it. I love your section on Ned Kelly, and portraying him for what he really was - chivalrous, heroic and a true Aussie! I went to the Old Fremantle Gaol and I thought it was full of history, and would make a great addition to your 'Australian Prisons' section. Great website! By the way, is there any way that people can find out if they're related to Ned? Thankyou!!
Goodonyou L.Oliver! I'll add some info on the old Freeo Gaol very soon. Re: related to Ned, try garry dean's website for a detailed Kelly Family tree. Thanks for the feedback mate, Dave

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Ian Rowland
16.05.2005
i am a broken down old TV doco maker from Queensland who has been trying to get series up on our bushrangers for some years. However the networks are not interested although the punters can't get enough of it! Would you like to have a look at a one page synopsis about where i see the story going with a view to future cooperation. I shot an extensive piece on Captain (both of them) Starlight a few years ago including the infamous shoot out at Eringonia.
Gday Ian. Too right I'm interested! Send it through mate! Dave

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Toe Cutter
12.07.2005
Keep up with this fucking awesome site buddy, here's a cheers for our working class men!!
Well said mate! thanks for the feedback TC

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BJ
15.07.2005
Well done Llama! Excellent site buddy, will continue to enjoy reading with interest!
Thanks my good friend! It's just Aussie History darlin... I love it! ;)
llama

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llama
Dire Straits...
Princess: You and me babe.. so how about it...
'It was just that the time was wrong...
...Juliet'

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Lyn
10.08.2005
Hey Bandit, Well done on the site fella, Brilliant!
Thankyou Lynny!

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Domonique
25.10.2005
hello, i am wondering if you could help me. i would like to send an email query to mr donald catchlove regarding his book about raymond john denning. i have searched the internet however an email address is not made available with any connection to mr catchlove's name. i hope you will be able to help me. regards, dominique
Gday Dominique:) I think your best bet is to mail the Publishers. They should put you straight onto Don.
Good luck with it! He's be a very intersting bloke to have a beer with :)
Dave

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Derek Pedley (Author of No Fixed Address-The Brenden Abbott Story)
05.01.2006
G'day Dave,

Thanks for your interest in the book. It is now being edited and should be
published around mid-year, but there are no firm dates as yet. And thanks
for your feedback on No Fixed Address, I'm glad you liked it.
Thanks again for your interest in the story - and I can assure you that the new book will be well worth the
wait.
regards,
Derek (email has been edited.)

Folks, this is gonna be a bloody good read!
If you haven't already read Derek's first book, go to Bookworld and shoplift it tomorrow! ;)
Derek, thanks mate. I'll be intouch.
Dave